to work with interrogations. there are very good professional groups. the fbi is excellent. they have people that that is all they do. they do that all the time. they have great experience and they know how to conduct interrogations. but you don't bring practitioners, people who treat patients into this arena, particularly since more often than not they're young doctors, just out of training. and it's not at all up to that point what they have had as part of their experience. >> walt, your answer. >> well, i think if the problem is that they are not that experienced, then perhaps we should be looking or the military should be looking for more experienced practitioners to be part of this. but i think in terms of the overall use of medical professionals, certainly there's nothing legally problematic with that. whether there is an ethical problem for the medical profession is something obviously the medical professions is going to need to wrestle with. >> is this about the policies, is this about the medical practice or is this about the policies of the u.s. government and intelligence.